Moral Contradictions

Wednesday, May 11, 2005

In case you missed it...

Pastor Chan Chandler resigned from the East Waynesville Baptist Church.

I wonder if Southeastern Baptist Seminary teaches the class "How to utterly destroy and split a church over politics 101". I wouldn't be surprised.


  • For some reason, this blog is like catnip to me...

    Out of the six pastors at my church with MDivs, four of them have said MDivs from SEBTS. Not one of them have ever mentioned political parties from the pulpit.

    In fact, I've never heard any of them ever mention BTSR, despite the fact that we are well within BTSR's footprint.

    Mods, on the other hand, seem to go out of their way to bash SBC at every opportunity. It's been 26 years since Houston, and 20 years since the epic convention in Dallas. It's time to move on.

    I was saved and baptized in a CBF-affiliated church. The church I am now a member of has maintained its affiliation with BGAV and SBC. I.e., it has continued its historic ties.

    Baptist faith and tradition, to me, is the essence of freedom of association and the priesthood of the believer.

    Churches call pastors, and they uncall pastors. What happened at EWBC is regrettable, but hardly out of the ordinary for Baptist polity. I have yet to read a single account from the other side of this dispute, and am withholding my final judgment until I do so.

    By Blogger Chris Porter, at Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:14:00 AM  

  • I agree with you about Baptist faith and tradition and would add autonomous churches as another stalwart belief. Given those, what the Paige Patterson's, W.A. Criswell's, and Al Mohler's did within the SBC is absolutely ingenious... you can't control the churches directly, but you can influence pastors by taking control of the seminaries. Brilliant.

    I reject the notion of "get over what happened 20 years ago"... it still affects us today. The SBC is becoming more isolated as we speak (pulling out of the Baptist World Alliance, increasing rhetoric with national politics) and I truly feel that churches will be faced with a choice at some point in the future: Go all CBF or all SBC. You can't just dismiss what happened 20 years ago without looking at how they achieved their goals and what the ramifications are today.

    I'm a little foggy with SEBTS current situation but am well aware of what's happened with Southern and Southwestern. I am of the impression that the takeover either A) hasn't happened yet or B) is fairly recent or C) hasn't been completed. That last statement was my cynical side coming out of me... the need to excise rants. However, BTSR's footprint is virtually irrelevant to SEBTS as some view it as a "liberal" school. With BTSR as the CBF's first seminary, they don't always get along with SBC affiliated organizations. (probably why you've never heard them mention BTSR)

    I also disagree with the notion that what happened at EWBC was out of the ordinary. I do contend that holding voter registration drives and all but endorsing candidates have sprung up more and more as churches get very close to the IRS line to promote political views in religious terms. I've never heard political parties being mentioned in the pulpit either, and I pray I never do. But when they are or when they are inferred... a line has been crossed.

    I respect your desire to withhold judgement concerning EWBC, but calling an illegal business meeting, voting 11 members out, withholding communion for 7 months, and saying "If you vote for Kerry, you need to repent or resign. Stop holding back God's Kingdom" makes me wonder what the other side of the story is.

    Personally, at the church I grew up at, the pastor has been there 40+ years. When we looked for a new youth minister 3 years ago, not one application came from someone who was in or graduated from a Big 6 school. Why? We were blacklisted because we were too moderate. However, I fear that when our pastor leaves, our church may be targeted by the SBC as a prime location to place a radically conservative pastor. Doesn't mean it will happen, but I'm not looking forward to upheaval the church will go through soon as some want to go all SBC and others want to move away from it.

    /sorry so long.
    //writing this is catnip for me as well

    By Blogger Nathan, at Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:49:00 PM  

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