Moral Contradictions

Sunday, November 27, 2005

Politics of Prayer...

...Last week a certain person prayed a "Dear Lord, thank you for this person and this person blah blah blah", yet tellingly left off a key person who is a natural equal to the stated two.. At first thought, this could be due to old age or be explained in another innocent way - yet it's really no secret that this particular omission was no mistake.

My heart breaks when politics enter the church - especially when it's done in an unapologetic manner... and to top it off, when we're supposed to be talking directly to God.

I'm sure all who read this have experienced this phenomenon...when your insides twinge when you hear the knife twist ever so slightly.

Yeah - is it bad when you're relieved to walk out of church?


  • I don't know if it's bad or not. It's happened to me many many times. But for some reason I always find myself going back with anticipation and hope.

    By Blogger Marty, at Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:06:00 PM  

  • Yah.... pray for whoever was doing that prayer (and whoever they left out because they probably need prayer too!)

    By Blogger R.J. Adams, at Monday, November 28, 2005 4:12:00 AM  

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    By Blogger Sapro, at Friday, December 02, 2005 4:01:00 PM  

  • You know, I was reading your "about" section and I could not help but have to say something. You have dedicated your site to point out flaws or “incorrect thinking” of others. Instead of causing problems and chaos in the church body, maybe you should rededicate it to something that God can use. Here is a good idea, rededicate it to leading the lost to Christ, or maybe to help build up fellow Christians’ faith and strength. All that you are accomplishing right now is talking about temporary things; things that will not matter much when Christ comes back. However, helping fellow believers and leading people to Christ will matter when Christ takes us up to heaven. Our mission and ministry is the only thing that really counts on this earth.

    Your brother in Christ,
    Andrew Sapronetti

    By Blogger Sapro, at Friday, December 02, 2005 4:49:00 PM  

  • Hey Sapro, thanks for the comment - I'm more concerned about commenting on folks who do what you say... If you've read more of this blog other than the About Me section, you'll see that I take no joy from this. However, because there are many powerful people who pervert Christianity, my personality coerces me to point out the crap.

    By Blogger Nathan, at Friday, December 02, 2005 4:57:00 PM  

  • "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

    "Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things."

    Just some thoughts from Paul here...

    By Blogger cks, at Friday, December 02, 2005 5:40:00 PM  

  • This is only coming from 23 years of Sunday School, but doesn't Paul say something about keeping each other accountable?

    Just as you may or may not have a beef with me, an insignificant blogger, I have a beef with those in power and authority who proclaim false truths in the name of Christ. I won't apologize for not staying silent in the face of those forces.

    By Blogger Nathan, at Friday, December 02, 2005 5:48:00 PM  

  • An apology was never my intention. A person is to have whatever opinion he desires, although it does not always make it right. My point is that you could be using your time to help others learn more about Christ. Take my site for example, it was created because I had a few interesting ideas that related to scripture that I shared with my friends. That group grew and grew, so I made a blog to allow them and others to read my thoughts and ideas (encouraging other believers). However, I also use my site as a mission. I make sure to put information on the site so people can find out how to get saved (leading others to Christ).

    If you truly want this mess that politics has created to go away, then try to share the word of God with as many people as possible. At some point the message of what Christ did will start to become more apparent to more and more people. If we can restore this nation to a Christian nation, then and only then can truthful politics occur. Until that day, sin will only continue to increase, and it will only get worse. If you want to fight bad politics then you should try to share the message with anyone and everyone.

    By Blogger Sapro, at Friday, December 02, 2005 9:02:00 PM  

  • What about bad politics that erupt within churches and other religious organizations? I feel like some of the junk that arises within religion and where religion and politics collide needs to be recognized as just that: junk. Maybe it's a negative slant, but I'm just bringing it to light - maybe in a way it will help Christians recognize that we need to focus on what said you said above instead of the petty stuff. Heck, I find it interesting that you commented on the About Me section under this particular post.

    I appreciate your sentiment and where your coming from and wish you well in your mission.

    By Blogger Nathan, at Friday, December 02, 2005 9:39:00 PM  

  • I am a person who hates to argue, but enjoys provoking thought with others. If you remember what you have stated above, then my job here is done. I leave you with one last thought: “A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle” (Erin Majors). I recently read that myself, and honestly, it has made me do a lot of thinking.

    In Christ always,
    Andrew Sapronetti

    By Blogger Sapro, at Friday, December 02, 2005 11:08:00 PM  

  • You know, I think that Nathan is doing a lot for Christianity by making it clear that not all Christians think the same way. I think some of the behavior that is modelled by those in power has come to be equated with Christianity, and not speaking up about that does a great disservice to our faith, because people look at that and turn away from Christianity. It's helpful to see someone disagree with it from within the same faith.

    By Blogger Elizabeth, at Monday, January 02, 2006 12:08:00 PM  

  • Thanks Elizabeth. Upon reflection of this thread, I'm reminded that we are all part of the body of Christ - only I may be an elbow while sapro and others might be a knee. Or, I could be the hand that holds a mirror for us to look at.

    By Blogger Nathan, at Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:11:00 PM  

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